
during a visit to the brothel
The Old Man Debates Nately
The lecherous old man in the brothel engages Nately in a debate about patriotism and the nature of war. He argues that Italy is winning the war by losing it, and that the real trick is to survive. Nately is horrified by his cynicism but is unable to refute his logic. The debate is a philosophical centerpiece of the novel, challenging the very idea of patriotic sacrifice.